Moving from Apathy to Action: How Facing Grief Can Help Us Navigate a World in Crisis

    Description

    When facing the realities of our world, the urge to drown in grief or shut down into apathy is becoming more and more common. As we are flooded with information and global predicaments outside of our control, overwhelm can set in, affecting our energy, efficacy, and even our ability to care. But what if facing our grief is actually the pathway to increasing our capacity to stay connected to and work on the things that matter most to us? What tools, practices, or rituals could we use to help us begin to metabolize our grief?

    In this episode, Nate is joined by John Seed and Skye Cielita Flor to explore the power of rituals and community for processing grief and transforming it into a deeper connection with ourselves, each other, and the natural world. They discuss the primary influences of their work, including ‘The Work That Reconnects,’ a framework developed by Joanna Macy and others, as well as the philosophy of Deep Ecology, founded by Arne Naess. Most importantly, John and Skye share their experience with deepening their own emotional capacity and embodiment of ecological values, and how they’ve helped others do the same.

    How has an absence of ritual and the avoidance of grief in our culture distorted our relationship to loss – and therefore our ability to protect what we love? What practices do other cultures use to nurture ecological identity and kinship with the more-than-human world? And finally, why might grief, when honored and integrated, be a vital part of building more resilient and ecologically-grounded systems for the future?

    About John Seed

    John Seed is an activist, facilitator, musician, and co-author of the seminal book “Thinking Like a Mountain” with Arne Naess, Joanna Macy and Pat Fleming. John Seed is the founder of the Rainforest Information Centre and has dedicated his life to the protection of rainforests and their biodiversity since 1979. Over the past few decades, John has also become a pivotal figure in the Deep Ecology movement.

    About Skye Cielita Flor

    Skye’s early years were spent working in wildlife rehabilitation and as a Wilderness Guide in the South African bush. She then underwent a traditional 3 year apprenticeship in Taoist Healing practices before moving to the Peruvian Amazon where she entered into a full-time 5 year traditional curanderismo apprenticeship with her Shipibo teachers of the Mahua – Lopez lineage.

    On return from the jungle, she has been passionate about finding meaningful ways to deepen into and integrate the life altering paradigmatic shifts she experienced with the plants. This is primarily done through her work as a facilitator of Experiential Deep Ecology, as a Grief Ritualist, as a co-facilitator of The Mythic Body year-long course by Josh Schrei, and as a facilitator of immersive group experiences into practices focusing on reclamation of living earth perception, mythic imagination, and ritual rhythms.

    Recorded on: May 21, 2025

    Show Notes & Links to Learn More

    00:00 – John SeedThinking Like a Mountain: Towards a Council of All BeingsRainforest Information CentreDeep Ecology

    Skye Cielita FlorCurandurismoThe Mythic Body

    The Work that Reconnects:

    04:00 – Plant Intelligence

    04:38 – Joanna Macy

    05:20 – Global Deforestation peaked in the 1980s

    05:48 – Human-driven Mass Extinction

    05:57 – Arne Næss

    07:15 – The Spiral JourneyVideo lecture from Joanna Macy

    1. Coming from Gratitude
    2. Honoring Our Pain for the World
    3. Seeing with New/Ancient Eyes
    4. Going Forth

    07:25 – Francis WellerTGS Episode

    08:15 – Ecological Identity article with Individual Assessment ToolDiscursive strategies in constructing Ecological Identity

    08:55 – Nate’s early work (PhD thesis)

    10:50 – The Great Unraveling

    11:58 – The relationship between social acknowledgment and prolonged grief symptoms

    13:50 – Cultural Materialism by Marvin Harris – Theoretical principlesNate Hagens explaining Marvin Harris’ Cultural MaterialismBasic Premises of Cultural Materialism

    14:20 – Vagus Nerve Regulation

    15:21 – Exiled feelings

    15:33 – Primordial Emotions

    16:55 – Relationship between Cognition and Emotion

    17:34 – Sympathetic Nervous System

    19:30 – Oil spills in the Peruvian Amazon

    20:01 – Jem BendellCatherine Ingram

    21:10 – Information Burnout Frankly

    24:40 – Nightcap National ParkWorld Heritage List

    25:04 – Randy HayesRainforest Action Network

    27:08 – A Review Study on Understanding Grief: Attachment, Love, and Loss

    27:22 – Animism

    29:43 – The Truth MandalaVideo Lecture from Joanna Macy

    31:03 – The Council of All BeingsNate’s Frankly on it

    32:05 – Vision Quest

    34:00 – Hopi Animistic beliefsAnimism common among many Indigenous cultures

    35:15 – Jean-Marc JancoviciThe Shift Project, TGS Episodes 1 + 2

    35:32 – Earth ReligionPaganism and connection to Earth

    38:30 – The Tree of Life

    38:55 – The Cosmic WalkChild of the Universe chantSister Miriam Therese MacGillis of Genesis Farm in New JerseyThomas Berry

    41:15 – Origin of elements

    42:17 – History of Ritual in humansBiological origin of Ritual

    48:00 – The Work That Reconnects NetworkBecoming a Facilitator

    48:22 – Free: The Active Hope Foundations Training

    48:55 – A Wild Love of the World

    53:03 – Embodiment

    53:50 – Anthropocentrism

    59:09 – 5 Gates of Grief from Francis Weller

    1:01:03 – The Living Earth perspective

    1:01:40 – Skye’s facilitationsPlant Intelligence by Stephen Harrod Buhner

    1:02:00 – Systems TheoryGaia Theory (Hypothesis)

    1:02:40 – Goethe’s Exact Sensorial ImaginationJung’s Active Imagination

    1:04:08 – John Seed’s Workshop Offerings

    1:05:10 – Strengthening Corbett PracticeThe Great Turning

    1:08:45 – Groups Perform Better Than the Best Individuals on Letters-to-Numbers Problems: Effects of Group Size

    1:10:40 – Consciousness and the UniverseCenozoic Era

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